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blast off on another episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast

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hero paranormal

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broadcasting just south of the utah ufo

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ranch

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in the uintah basin of utah

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my name is ryan anomalus ambassador of

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the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode today

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if you're into gold

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treasure

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giants

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the underworld of utah

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and many of the mysteries held within

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the uintah mountains

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you've surely heard of our guest today

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he is none other than terry carter

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treasure hunter

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and adventurer

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he is someone i've wanted to talk to for

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quite some time his knowledge of the

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area is astounding the people he talks

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to are astounding and his youtube

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channel

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is something that cannot be missed

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without going into all of the elements

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of his research and investigations let's

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just get right to it

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terry carter welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast i i guess that means

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i'm on huh you are on my friend how are

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you doing today

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i'm doing great and thanks for inviting

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me um but man it should be me

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interviewing you oh i don't know about

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that i i've been enthralled i appreciate

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the uh

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the gesture but

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man everywhere i look online when it

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comes to treasure hunting

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and unique you into mountain

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videos your youtube channel comes up and

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i just have to ask and i want my

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listeners to know where they can follow

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you on youtube because it's really quite

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the adventure following all the people

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that you talk to and the amazing stories

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that you get into where can they follow

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you on youtube terry

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so on youtube if they just search for

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terry carter or terry carter treasure

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hunter on youtube and look for the skull

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and crossbones pirate with the

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patch over its eye and that's my channel

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and then just kind of sift through them

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and look for the you in the mountain

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ones but uh because there's all kinds of

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subjects and things on treasure hunting

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there

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but uh you know it's it's it's it's not

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me it's the people that have agreed to

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tell us their stories you know and so so

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uh anyway that's that

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i find it so mesmerizing utah has a rich

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history

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um there's so many areas we can go i

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mean there's there's exhaustive research

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into this

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and the fact

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is that brigham young was told by the

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ute chief walker of a secret gold source

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high in the back reaches of the uintas

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there's many many tales of the rhodes

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family thomas rhodes in particular

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having chosen areas

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in the uintas to

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have this gold placed or store it and

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there's also tales of native gold

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spanish gold aztec gold the list goes on

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and on where can we kick this off

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man you're right there is a ton of

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information out there a ton of stories

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out there in the uintah mountains you

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know and and starting with you know

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chief walker and and and him him finding

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all these this sacred gold and and that

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but uh

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um that's kind of what got me hooked in

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the first place as i was working out

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there in the in the vernal

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area on a power plant in the early 80s

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and treasure hunting they i'd i'd seen

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some shows on tv about you know them

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finding gold off the coast of florida

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you know from the spanish shipwrecks and

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whatnot and so um i was interested in

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that but it wasn't until i started

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working on that power plant on invernal

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and found out about the lost roads mine

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and and all the interesting things there

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in the uintas and and and that got me

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hooked and and i love the um anyway

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because they're just beautiful and

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that was just another excuse for me to

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spend more out more more time into the

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outdoors and and searching things and

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and and it just went from there but but

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where you want to start i don't know

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there's there's all kinds of things to

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talk about in all of utah but but

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especially there in the uenas

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i think the uintas is a great place to

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start and you you

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you have hit upon the secret word which

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is that lost roads mine or mines i

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should say because i believe there's at

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least seven

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that the uh i believe caleb rhodes has

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mentioned at least seven

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how do we navigate this um what cool or

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interesting stories have you heard from

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locals there about

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the rhodes mine or uh

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anything related to it

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geez you know there's the seven big

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mines that we know of but there was more

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than that there was over a hundred of

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the spanish mines you know throughout

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the u.n as mountains but but there was

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just uh you know seven of them that were

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big and guarded by the indians and the

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others was guarded by the indians and

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and and and whatnot but some of the

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local stories you know i i had a a guy

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coming and talk to me about

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when they was

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when he was a kid he's this guy's in his

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70s now they they dropped down into a

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natural cavern and started following the

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air movement and and they come to a

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the way he described it was like an

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illusions mirages that he he wouldn't

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have known the place kept on going

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except for he followed the air movement

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he ducked under him seat knee some rocks

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got on his knees because he could fear

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the fill the air movement and and

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followed this passageway

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um clear back into the mountains and and

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found an old door he said the door on

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this thing

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um was

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the craftsmanship he'd never seen

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anything like this it was it was seven

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eight foot tall seven eight foot wide

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and it was rounded and perfectly fit

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into the rock and then over the over the

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years calcite had been dripping over it

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so kind of camouflaged it even some

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you know in that same cavern

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somebody found um an old spanish roman

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or an old roman coin and i and i have to

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wonder you know is is this who would

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have put a door like this down there i

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don't know if the spanish would you know

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there's tales that that there was older

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culture here and who that older golden

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culture is you know as there was the

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romans here was the you know was was

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something like that i i don't know but

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there's a ton of stories

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like that you know and and currently i'm

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investigating and trying to find this

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door re trace this guy's footsteps and

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in the same area there's a way bill

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talking about how the spaniards there

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was 40 42 of them and

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did i lose you no i'm here i'm just

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mesmerized holy cow

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oh so so sorry about that my phone was

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beeping so so there's there's

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uh um a way bill talking about how there

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was 42 of these spaniards uh mining and

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the indians were attacking them of

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course you know the the spaniards would

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enslave the indians and make them work

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till they till they died and for some

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funny reason the indians didn't like

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that so they started revolting and

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attacking them and then they finally um

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attacked them and drove them all out

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it took whatever it took

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for the tribes for the clans to to hide

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these mines all these uh any evidences

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of this stuff you know they did what it

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took to hide it well well uh this way

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bill talks about how there's 42 other

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spaniards they're getting attacked by

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the indians and so there's eight of them

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left and there they've locked the gold

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behind a wooden door they they're uh 200

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and some odd cargos of gold and 600 and

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some odd cargos of silver behind this

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wooden door and they're headed back to

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mexico uh because of the fear of their

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life and and they've left this way bill

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and this document

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um of how to get back to this you know

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of course then the pioneers came in you

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know the mexican-american war the the

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you know the united states won these

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areas and and so that was lost to these

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families well well this is the same area

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where this guy um have found this door

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however this door doesn't even sound

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like like it's spaniards and i'm

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wondering if the spaniards

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stumbled onto something that was even

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ancient than what they had and they was

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collecting stuff and just didn't get it

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all out before they came so it's gonna

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be an adventure just to see this door is

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a treasure because he says the only

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thing that reminds him that he's seen

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that that's even close is some of these

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old stories uh shows on tv where they

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showed the castles and the dungeons and

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he says the doors look just like that

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and why somebody put a door

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down in a crevice like this is is beyond

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me it there's got to be something

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interesting behind this door

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this is amazing because yeah the i mean

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there is and i'm glad you brought this

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up legend holds that there is

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an aztec connection

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and that forefathers migrated to mexico

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city uh from a land to the north and

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that land to the north

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was a land of red rocks and i believe

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they say four rivers and

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two researchers are now claiming that

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they have found the aztec homeland in

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utah so this this may go back way way

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back

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and uh the rhodes family is one that you

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just can't ignore when it comes to gold

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in utah

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and i mean thomas rhodes he was a

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trailblazer a pioneer a settler and also

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a minor and there's stories of him

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fighting off people's bandits trying to

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steal his gold with the help of his

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fellows

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and i think further proof that he was

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really really deep into this gold mining

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is that um

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gosh i mean the council of 12 authorized

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brigham young to issue hand-written

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notes called gold back notes

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they were issued back with a i think an

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80 percent gold reserve

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and this was back in like 1849 if i'm

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not mistaking

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bearing the official seal of the 12

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apostles and all backed by a mysterious

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gold reserve which many

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believe

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uh may have been thomas rhodes gold to

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relieve those notes have you heard

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anything from the rhodes family and i

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mean

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it seems like they are just in so many

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of

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the historical events that took place at

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least when it comes to the mormon church

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in utah gold

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there there was more than just the

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rhodes family that was involved

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with that but you know the roads they

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they took an altar they wouldn't divulge

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this stuff and and they did not you know

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they left some maps people have tried to

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decipher them maps you know they they

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did bring out gold and give to the

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mormon church um

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um but back to the aztec thing

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you know if you you know you're you

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you've been out to vernal i don't know

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if you've been to mcconkey ranch oh i

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love that place isn't that wild so so so

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you know you just go to the mcconkey

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ranch and you look at them petroglyphs

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they're not your regular native american

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petroglyphs them things in my most

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humble but accurate opinion those things

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are the most spectacular petroglyphs in

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all of the united states i mean these

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things these guys are full-bodied um

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uh carved and painted uh they look

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egyptian or aztec you know they've got

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they've got jewelry

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breastplates crowns they got i mean

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these things are spectacular and it's

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not hard to imagine that these people

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had the gold these people are the guys

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that mined it and made things out of it

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you know and and where did it go from

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there is it hidden in one of these seven

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caverns one of these seven

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uh treasure things that you're talking

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about you know that the indians are are

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back then have been guarding you know

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clear up till now you know is this part

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of the aztec treasure were these part of

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the aztecs you know it's it's it's it's

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they're just awesome you know if you

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haven't seen these things you need to go

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there and witness them firsthand because

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they're they're spectacular

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i couldn't agree more terry and in my

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humble opinion as well they may be the

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most important petroglyphs in all of

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utah and i mean

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there's petroglyphs everywhere in utah

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all through nine mile canyon i think

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nine mile canyon has the most

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petroglyphs anywhere on the planet but

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these in particular there at the

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mcconkey ranch

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in dry fork

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these are different there is just

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something different than these

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and

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things that are are very different in

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origin i mean they just have a different

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feel about them

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i don't know if you remember

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um as you're going up dry fork to the

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cocky ranch off to the off to the right

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hand side before the remember the main

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park there's those two

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big

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natural wind blown looking caves that

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you can see off the side across the

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river you notice them okay

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i'm pretty sure i know where you're

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talking about i think so so

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so right there if you look at the base

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of that that one cliff or of kind of the

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clip that you

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overlooking where the hole is where this

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cave is there are some of them at

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mcconkey type petroglyphs carved in

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right there and you could see it one

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time it was pretty spectacular but

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inside these caves is uh is is smoked

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and the and the sandstones peeled off

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and and

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you know smoke from the bomb fires from

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from

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all the eon of ages clear up until you

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know recently the kids go up there and

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have bonfires and have their tech

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parties you know but if you look real

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closely you can still still see

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some of the faded paint of these giants

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that was carved onto the rocks and

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painted uh the same type of figures that

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was on my concrete ranches these caves

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was was adorned with figures all around

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it and with painted and shipped in then

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that thing had to have been spectacular

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a lot of man i wished i had a time

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machine so i could go back just to see

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the spectacular of what that thing did

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look like because it had to be pretty

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awesome

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so true if you if we only had a time

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machine to go back

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i mean there's so many researchers that

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are providing history now and you have a

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lot of them on your youtube channel all

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of my listeners i highly recommend that

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they subscribe and listen to it

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and um i mean this is all through utah

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even as far i mean it's all over the

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place isn't it

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it's all over the place and and you know

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what the unique thing about this is and

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and and it's it's it is the mormon

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church and people think you know the

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mormon church they're that fake group

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through the they're the you know and

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they and they

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god you know it's it's it's made up and

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they made up stories and all that but

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here's the thing about the mormon church

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you know if they thought it had to deal

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with their religion

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they thought anything that had to do

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with their religion

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they

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publicly

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they've got it in their archives and so

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they're a treasure troll of this

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information of what went on before you

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know you know the the that

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the mainstaying

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state academia says you know it was

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it was just the natives here before

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columbus and and and that's it you know

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there was nothing else there was no

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internet intercontinental travel well

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you know the the mormon church has all

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this stuff in their records of things

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that they was found up in the uenas you

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know different things from different

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cultures that should not be here but was

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found here and then they say well the

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mormon church made it up to to prove

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their book of mormon or to bolster their

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religion or something like that

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but if you take and look at the facts

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and the history of what really they did

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find and like i say they didn't release

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it to people because people were saying

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that so they kept it to themselves

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but i accidentally stumbled into some of

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them records and it took me on a on a

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wild ride all across the western united

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states scattered anywhere from depth and

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steps and deception on one side of

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spectrum or one side of the spectrum to

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the joint amazement on the other of

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being able to see and and and hear

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stories see artifacts firsthand hear

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stories firsthand that most people will

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never ever get to hear and see you know

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is because i accidentally stumbled into

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them records that i shouldn't have been

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yelled at i shouldn't have i shouldn't

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have seen and that led me to tracking

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down it took me from treasure hunting

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you know in the uintas to tracking down

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the ancients the giants the the things

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like that just out of place archaeology

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that just doesn't fit and that's that

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fascinated me some of that stuff so and

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you know you've touched on something

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that i just recently read an amazing

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article about and um

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it's the truth and you know

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there was a survey a recent survey in

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america

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about mormons and it showed that more

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than 60 percent of the people surveyed

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were uninformed about mormonism and

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they're amazing secret keepers in

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general mormons are amazing secret

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keepers when they have to be which is a

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huge asset when it comes to this

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and uh this there's one place in

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american society that

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mormons have found a pretty interesting

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acceptance in agencies like the

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department of homeland security fbi and

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the cia

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because they are able to keep secrets

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when it's important to them and i think

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that's a real important thing to bring

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up terry because when it comes to these

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lost treasures the maps the things that

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are found and even

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uh like brewers cave and stories of

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giants

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there's a lot of people in utah that can

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yep yep there is and

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not only though do they keep the secrets

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but you know they was taught to write a

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journal to keep a journal and there's a

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lot of information in these journals if

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you just knew where to go where to look

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um but but

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um

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yeah it was kept touch us some of this

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stuff you know it was only it was only

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known by just a a

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few a few and and and and that drives me

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nuts people saying oh it's it's them

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damn mormons so so uh man it's all

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hogwash but uh you know you gotta

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understand that forget the religion part

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you know because they thought it tied to

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their religion whether it is or not

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doesn't matter well

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they

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kept track of this stuff and studied

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this stuff and tried to figure it out

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and they just never released it to you

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or i or the regular mainstream people

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you know they just they just kept it to

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themselves

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so

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that's the truth and you

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the other interesting thing is that utah

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is kind of a museum when it comes to

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another sort of giants with which is

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dinosaurs whether you're down near moab

519
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or you're in vernal the dinosaur history

520
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in utah is very prolific we have a

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prolific fremont culture in utah we now

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have ties to the aztecs which could

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lead to uh hernan cortes bringing gold

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up

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from montezuma and

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there i mean there's it just seems like

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it's a hot spot no matter which

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direction you take it's a hot spot when

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it comes to gold and utah all all the

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roads

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lead to utah so to speak don't they

532
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there's a lot of roads that lead to utah

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yep you know you talked about brewers

534
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cave and that's one of the things i

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stumbled into

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um

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in these records you know where where

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the mormon church was in contact with

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brewer trying to get access to this

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stuff and then he he he shut them down

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and and cut them off from that but i i

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got access to all them files and people

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really didn't know about brewer's cave

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until then and i tracked i talked to

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everybody that was still alive and i

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interviewed him and i and i tracked down

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things and i found i found one of these

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stone boxes with

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these copper plates that had

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an ancient writing on them

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and it was wrapped in in cedar bark and

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smeared with pine pitch i tracked one of

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these down and i thought at first i

554
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,919
thought you know this story was was

555
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,320
far-fetched and bogus

556
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,200
but when i tracked this box down

557
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,200
i had through the ancient historical

558
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:13,600
research foundation which i i helped

559
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,960
form specifically to do scientific tests

560
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,960
and studies to see if some of this stuff

561
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,200
was real or if it was just bogus and and

562
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,640
we had the

563
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,880
the bark carbon data that was wrapped

564
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:26,400
around this box

565
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,320
and this box uh this this bark came back

566
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,280
at 2500 bc and when and when they back

567
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:34,880
came back and they've seen what it was

568
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,760
around they thought that's bogus we've

569
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,840
screwed up on our test so they ran the

570
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,720
test

571
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:43,200
ten different times and ten different

572
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,559
times you come back 2500 bc well at the

573
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,000
same time

574
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,520
they was running some tests on some

575
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,679
other artifacts and it was coming back

576
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,440
way older than what they thought so they

577
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,960
started checking around and sure enough

578
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,799
they did screw up they'd used a

579
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,400
different solution than what their

580
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,960
machine was calibrated for so when they

581
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,320
recalibrated their machine the true date

582
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:06,720
of the bark on this was between 50 and

583
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:10,960
350 bc on this bark and and and that is

584
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,520
still old and ancient a wrap that was

585
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,000
wrapped around uh this stone box that

586
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,559
had these ancient records in it you know

587
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,360
and and and but the thing to me was that

588
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,760
they ran the test 10 different times to

589
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,240
prove that it was a false date and they

590
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,039
couldn't they they did the 2500 bc they

591
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:30,720
approved that was a false date but the

592
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:33,760
50 to 350 bc you know they couldn't do

593
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,880
so so when i found out that was true i

594
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,640
thought well there's no way brewer could

595
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,679
have frauded that so so i started taking

596
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,279
a a different

597
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,240
um light on brew the brewer cave story

598
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:48,000
and and started tracking it down more

599
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,840
earnestly and trying to figure out more

600
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,080
about it

601
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,799
man that is amazing and for listeners

602
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,400
that aren't familiar with the legend of

603
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,840
brewer's cave

604
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,640
it's a cave where mr brewer who was not

605
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,720
a man known to lie him and his son if

606
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,400
i'm not mistaken

607
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,360
they found basically an ancient burial

608
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,360
site with uh

609
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,760
two mummies which were of such great

610
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,760
size that they were giants

611
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,880
and

612
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:15,840
you know

613
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,760
the drawings and the the recollection

614
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,880
of this legend is i mean it it's got

615
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,640
it's got the this

616
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,880
this red-headed giant thing written all

617
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,029
so the the man was uh she's eight foot

618
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,159
seven had red hair red beard and had a

619
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:38,880
crown of gold the breastplate on a a

620
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,600
huge sword you know uh um with all these

621
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,640
mysterious characters and the woman was

622
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,200
uh seven foot six or seven foot eight

623
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,520
and blonde hair with a breast plate and

624
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,320
some kind of a crown and and all these

625
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,400
ancient characters on and they was in

626
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,600
these stone sarcophagus so heavy that he

627
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,360
couldn't lift him up he had to get a

628
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,919
handyman jack and and kind of get it

629
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,919
under there and lift it off with a slide

630
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:07,919
it off using the handyman jack to kind

631
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:11,600
of to to lift the lid off

632
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,400
so

633
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,080
yeah that's an amazing story uh but

634
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,559
still you know it's just just a story

635
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,120
you know i've i've validated that the

636
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,360
bark at least the bark was ancient that

637
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,200
was wrapped around one of these stone

638
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,440
boxes that had you know this cave was

639
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,520
filled with these stone boxes with these

640
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,240
ancient records in them i validated the

641
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,880
the bark you know but still it's just a

642
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,640
story until we can find this place to

643
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,440
get in and validate that there really is

644
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,440
you know giant mummies and whatnot and

645
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,000
and that's been what i've been working

646
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,080
on but it's it's it's easier said and

647
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,400
done because you're you got to kind of

648
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,120
battle the government for for trying to

649
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,760
to get in and work on places you know

650
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,880
and and it's just not an easy task it's

651
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,039
just not like you're gonna go in there

652
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,159
and find it and do things i i have a

653
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,480
sneaking suspicion where it's at you

654
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,480
know i validated everything and

655
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,880
everything lines up but uh you know

656
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,799
until i can try and get the the

657
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,720
permission you know i can't just go in

658
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,720
there and start digging up i i'm not

659
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,200
going in there to to to pillage and loot

660
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,279
the thing i i want this i want the

661
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:21,600
archaeologists in there i want a video

662
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,159
documented and released on youtube or to

663
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:25,919
the whole world so everybody knows so

664
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,799
this thing doesn't get hidden up or you

665
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:31,279
know so it's just not an easy thing to

666
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,400
do

667
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,159
and you're not kidding you got to be

668
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,840
real careful

669
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:37,919
stepping foot into some of these areas i

670
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,039
mean just recently in

671
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,400
this month july 19th i believe

672
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,960
a ute tribal officer shot two people

673
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,679
after a utv incident they were

674
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,240
up around the big springs area there in

675
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,000
duchesne county and

676
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,240
they were most likely in an area they

677
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:57,760
shouldn't have been in

678
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,520
and uh there's long been legends of uh

679
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,520
of basically staying out of some of

680
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:05,919
these areas and white rocks and in

681
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,039
duchesne county and in muenta county and

682
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,039
even though the the story of what

683
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,159
happened still isn't clear we do know

684
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,799
that a ute tribal officer uh for

685
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,240
whatever reason

686
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,159
shot two people that were up there kind

687
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,039
of cruising around on atvs that's all we

688
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,360
really know but you're not kidding you

689
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,760
have to really unlock through the

690
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,919
correct pathways

691
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:31,919
permission and access to some of these

692
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,399
areas and getting back to the cave thing

693
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,720
terry you've done amazing work with uh

694
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,960
brewer's cave and i wanted to also

695
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,520
mention the lovelock cave can you tell

696
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:42,880
listeners a little bit about the

697
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,870
so the lovelock cave is kind of the

698
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,120
not the same story but it's it's uh you

699
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,200
know the paiutes claimed that the the

700
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,440
giants there were were you know killing

701
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,880
their people and eating them and they

702
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,640
got tired of that so they all banded

703
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,240
together and went and

704
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,000
started hunting these giants down ran

705
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,880
them into a cave and then uh they they

706
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,799
they uh built a big fire in front of

707
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,880
this cave and then smoked them out and

708
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,640
and they they all died in there and then

709
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,399
over the eons of time you know their

710
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,399
bodies was covered with black guano and

711
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
dirt and whatnot and anyways they went

712
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,320
in and found some of these giants when

713
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,720
they was uh digging for the bat guano

714
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,600
for fertilizer and stuff but um it was

715
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,960
put into a

716
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:27,200
uh one of the museums there in

717
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,399
winnemucca

718
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,440
and uh um you know people could display

719
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,279
look at the display of the giant skulls

720
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,039
and people talk about it the old-timers

721
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,520
talk about it but you go in there today

722
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,520
and and they'd be

723
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,080
that that uh there was ever any giants

724
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,480
that uh you know just people's big

725
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:46,320
figment of their imagination that the

726
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,520
newspaper articles were just uh

727
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,880
sensationalized newspaper articles to

728
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:52,399
get you know

729
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,000
uh better uh subscriber readership you

730
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,640
know and and that it was all all hogwash

731
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,039
but you you get back to to what's

732
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:03,679
happened here and then because of nagpra

733
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,679
and and whatnot the the uh uh

734
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,440
anybody that takes money from the

735
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,120
government to help you know for the

736
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,360
museum or whatnot they got full control

737
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,840
of of what they say and what they do and

738
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,080
and and even part of a good example of

739
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,200
that is is the uh the uh the lead

740
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,679
crosses found in the tucson area the

741
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,080
roman led crosses you know i was

742
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,080
researching that and the guy who found

743
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,520
it in the in in the 1920s

744
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,159
you know he he brought the university

745
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,480
out there from arizona and they found

746
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,320
some of these artifacts themselves into

747
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,279
caliche but later after the smithsonian

748
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,360
got involved they they reversed their

749
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,360
thing and saying it could have been a it

750
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,600
was probably a fraud and whatnot but

751
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,919
they dug it out of calichi themselves

752
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,360
and and so

753
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,320
um when this guy passed on he he no way

754
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,679
that he'd want this to go to the

755
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,919
universities because they was help doing

756
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,399
the cover-up after the the smithsonian

757
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,880
got involved so when he did finally pass

758
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,360
on they gave it all his stuff to a a

759
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,679
private group there the the historical

760
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,520
society well the state took over the

761
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,600
historical society and when i went in

762
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,919
there to start doing some research on

763
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,399
that they says any articles or any

764
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,279
anything i'd i posted or anything i did

765
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,440
had to be saying that it was false it

766
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,440
wasn't a real thing there was really no

767
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,200
lead led uh

768
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:26,880
roman roman

769
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,440
swords and artifacts found there was all

770
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,240
a fraud you know they just demanded you

771
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,159
know and so um

772
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,559
it's just crazy of how things are swept

773
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
under the rug how things and why who

774
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,200
cares if there's giants what's the big

775
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,840
deal why who cares

776
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,000
you hit on something that's so important

777
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,760
when it comes to sweeping things under

778
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:49,600
the rug and the government getting

779
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:53,279
involved and giants and that is um heck

780
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,480
on coast to coast uh stephen quayle

781
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,480
reported on an occurrence which is still

782
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,880
classified by the u.s government where a

783
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,440
special ops task force in the

784
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:06,960
remote kandahar mountains of afghanistan

785
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,320
came across a red-headed giant and

786
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,159
according to the story

787
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,320
they saw pieces of broken equipment

788
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,440
outside the the cave and then at 12 to

789
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,279
15 foot tall

790
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:21,840
red-headed six-digit double-tooth

791
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,200
humanoid emerged and attacked them and

792
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,760
uh long story short they they ended up

793
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,159
winning the battle but upon their return

794
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,679
the soldiers were made to sign

795
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,840
non-disclosure paperwork

796
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:36,000
and the witness that came forward to

797
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,960
steve

798
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,559
said that he broke his silence because

799
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,720
people have the right to know and there

800
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,039
does seem to be this uh

801
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,320
this effective very effective

802
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,240
non-disclosure agreement that seems to

803
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,919
be signed by people in the government

804
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:52,240
when it comes to giants so there is

805
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,279
something

806
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,519
to them sweeping this stuff under the

807
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,399
rug and i'm not quite sure what it is

808
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:00,799
i i gotta agree with it it baffles me

809
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,399
what what's the big deal who cares

810
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,640
but but because it's swept under the rig

811
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,799
rug you know because it's out of place

812
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,200
archaeology stuff like that fascinates

813
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,960
me and makes me want to dig a little bit

814
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,200
harder to find out what is the truth why

815
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,840
is this stuff being hidden you know

816
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,679
this is just like the egyptians in the

817
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,440
grand canyon you know what what does

818
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,159
that matter big deal

819
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,000
that's another one that a lot of people

820
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,720
don't know about is uh kincaid can you

821
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,399
tell our listeners i know that you know

822
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:32,000
more about it than i do can you tell

823
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,440
them a little bit about some of the

824
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,760
histories which and mysteries that might

825
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:38,640
be hidden in the grand canyon

826
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:42,640
so so uh down the grand canyon pal

827
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,600
um who's over the smithsonian went down

828
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,159
there and they found kincaid found these

829
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,600
these caverns um that that was clear

830
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,080
full they says man 50 000 people could

831
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:55,840
have lived in these caverns it was clear

832
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,640
full of egyptian or oriental type

833
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,519
artifacts you know statues and columns

834
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:04,559
and and and just like in egypt you know

835
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:07,840
all these uh things carved in the walls

836
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,360
and uh all of a sudden they they they uh

837
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,279
close the canyon down nobody can go

838
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,200
hiking in these areas anymore they've

839
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,360
named the names of all the area with

840
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,440
egyptian names but you or i can't go

841
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,159
there if people that do try to go there

842
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,200
are buzzed by airplanes or helicopters

843
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,000
and and and uh you know

844
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,399
and again you know why you know and how

845
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,159
we found out about it was it was a

846
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,360
newspaper article in 1907

847
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,440
1906 something like that in the phoenix

848
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,399
gazette

849
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,240
talking about this but then again they

850
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,720
just say that sensationalized newspaper

851
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,399
reporting it didn't really happen that

852
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,080
was just to get the readership up you

853
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,000
know but there's been some interesting

854
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,640
things found there uh

855
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:53,039
i interviewed a person that that uh

856
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,840
their

857
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,039
father was given a a stone with with

858
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,519
cuneiform writing on it uh that was

859
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,440
found near the grand canyon area and

860
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,600
then and it was a wyatt earth that found

861
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,600
the stone and gave it to their father

862
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:06,559
and then

863
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,519
i've

864
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,679
found i had a friend

865
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,480
who was uh down in in lake powell and

866
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,119
and this one the lake was way high they

867
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,879
went hiking around and found these

868
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,599
egyptian uh um hieroglyphs down there at

869
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,280
lake powell and i went looking for him

870
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,760
and i was unsuccessful but i found

871
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,079
another girl who found another set of

872
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,919
the exact same type of egyptian

873
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,159
hieroglyphs 30 miles away from the ones

874
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,119
i was searching for and so you know

875
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,960
something went on and that's the grand

876
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,040
canyon that's that's you know formed by

877
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,879
the colorado river and lake powell's

878
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:40,800
made out of the colorado river it's the

879
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,399
same waterfall as flowers as where you

880
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:46,399
know the the egyptians in the grand

881
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,560
canyon were man and that is no joke when

882
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:52,879
you go to the grand canyon i i recently

883
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,320
went with my family and i was blown away

884
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,040
by the fact of how secure it is up there

885
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,200
on that rim they don't want any drones

886
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,800
flown they don't want you looking in

887
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,359
certain parts of it as you said

888
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,119
and um

889
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,240
i i recently saw some some interesting

890
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,119
stuff out of uh channel 4 in utah where

891
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,520
historians this is an older thing but

892
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,359
historians say one of the richest

893
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:19,599
possible caches of gold

894
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,880
is hidden in southern utah and it's also

895
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:25,440
buried in caverns i mean these these

896
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,040
natural caverns exist in utah and

897
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,599
hundreds of people have claimed to have

898
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,599
seen entrances and then they can't find

899
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,520
them again and many claim that it might

900
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,520
be montezuma's treasure in some of these

901
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,960
locations there's a legitimate history

902
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,079
that uh

903
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,720
really leads us to believe that there's

904
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:47,520
multiple as you said caches of treasure

905
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,440
in utah and they're scattered all about

906
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,920
yep all throughout utah there's it's an

907
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,760
interesting place you know there's all

908
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:57,760
kinds of stories from from different

909
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,480
eras you know from the uenos down to by

910
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,760
the grand canyon all all over the place

911
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,880
it is and and the other thing is just

912
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,240
the amount of as you said research

913
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,480
that's been done by utahns

914
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,200
and they utans you gotta hand it to them

915
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:17,359
they keep amazing records people like

916
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,720
yourself are talking to people that have

917
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:23,680
maps that have history that have

918
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,839
personal

919
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,280
experiences and uh some of these

920
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,599
experiences aren't just treasure related

921
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,200
sometimes they get a little weird don't

922
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,880
they have you run into some paranormal

923
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,119
stuff

924
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,839
man i've uh you know i had a i didn't

925
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,760
believe in this paranormal stuff you

926
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,240
know i thought it was hogwash i thought

927
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:44,880
over active imaginations or something

928
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,920
but i was i was at the uh

929
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,320
superstition mountains i went to the to

930
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,800
the museum there the the lost dutchman

931
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,839
museum i've been there the the guys that

932
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,720
uh put on the the dutch hunters

933
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,320
rendezvous invited me down to their

934
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,160
rendezvous and they gave me free tickets

935
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,560
to the museum so i was down there

936
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,680
and i

937
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,280
i was done looking

938
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,880
through the museum and i was leaving and

939
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,800
this older gentleman stopped me and he

940
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,800
says he says where are you from young

941
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,200
man and and he had a name tag on like he

942
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,040
worked there and at the time i was

943
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,599
working on a power plant in wyoming so i

944
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,920
was living in the weekdays in wyoming

945
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,760
but you know back home in utah on the

946
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,000
weekends and so i told them well i says

947
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,320
on the week weekdays i'm i live in

948
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,200
wyoming weekends i live in utah and i

949
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,440
says where are you from and and he told

950
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,240
me well first he says well yeah then i

951
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,160
uh i lived in wyoming i worked on all

952
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,000
them power plants and he named all them

953
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,599
power plants including the one i was

954
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,599
working on so i thought i'm thinking to

955
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,680
myself well this guy must be out here

956
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,000
looking for the lost dutchman's mind and

957
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,760
and because my youtube channel i'm

958
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,280
thinking i'm always looking for a new

959
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,400
story and i'm thinking well he might

960
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,640
have a great story you know so i asked

961
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,240
him i said well you must be out here

962
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,560
looking for the lost dutchman

963
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,800
uh mine or else you you know being from

964
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,280
wyoming he says well you know i have

965
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,040
been looking but i came out here because

966
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,119
of the climate but i have been looking

967
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,720
for a little bit but more than anything

968
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,280
is the history and i says well tell me

969
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,960
tell me a great story you know i didn't

970
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,320
tell him i had a youtube channel or

971
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,079
anything i thought oh he's got a great

972
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,240
story then i'll try and see if i can get

973
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,880
it recorded anyways he starts telling me

974
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:23,760
this story um how he wanted to see these

975
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,550
coke ovens

976
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,720
that the pioneers built

977
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,560
and then on the mountain behind it there

978
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,640
was supposed to be a heart on the on on

979
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,000
the mountain behind it and he thought

980
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,400
that had to do with watched uh dutchman

981
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,040
mine somehow and and he finally found

982
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,880
somebody who who could take him out

983
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,960
there and it just so happened the person

984
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,680
that that was taking him out there

985
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,280
i knew i just met him at this dutch

986
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,079
hunter's rendezvous and uh anyways they

987
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,560
get they get uh clear out there they go

988
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,880
to the coke ovens they they that the

989
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,880
pioneers made they seem these and then

990
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,040
they're coming out they're 10 miles back

991
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,680
in it's the middle of july and they they

992
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,640
get a flat tire and then he so

993
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,400
they change it and they go some more and

994
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,160
they get he gets another flat tire he

995
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,920
doesn't have another spare and so he's

996
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,119
riding on the rim and then he gets

997
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,520
another flat tire so now he's riding on

998
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,119
two rims

999
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,880
and they had to go down and up this big

1000
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,200
wash and they got stuck and he told me

1001
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,920
this big long story in detail they ended

1002
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,839
up having to hike out

1003
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,280
in the middle of the night all night

1004
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,359
long they was hiking out and and finally

1005
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,880
in the early in the morning they heard

1006
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,720
this noise up on this bluff they hike up

1007
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,560
there and there's a road up there in a

1008
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,800
motor home with an older couple in there

1009
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,400
they feed in brexit take them back to

1010
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,320
town they get their buddy get new tires

1011
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,920
go out and get their jeep that was in

1012
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,839
the story it was great story but not one

1013
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,280
i thought would be great for putting on

1014
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,280
my youtube channel i wished i'd have

1015
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:49,599
recorded that ryan

1016
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,069
four months later um i had a guy contact

1017
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,079
me and tell me that him and his buddy

1018
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,480
was out by the gila river and they was

1019
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,119
miles and miles miles away from any road

1020
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,640
and they was doing donuts with their

1021
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,599
motorcycles uh by the river in the sand

1022
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,000
there and one of them flipped up this

1023
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,240
old necklace and it looked like old like

1024
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,160
an old egyptian necklace

1025
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,000
and that caught my attention because you

1026
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:19,920
know the egyptians in the grand canyon

1027
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,720
and and i thought man that's

1028
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,520
all the the the possibility that the

1029
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,760
invernal there and dry fort mccaughey's

1030
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:29,520
ranch them things look like they could

1031
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,960
be egyptian or aztec you know so so i i

1032
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,119
went to this uh salvador who knew all

1033
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,440
the treasure hunters there in in

1034
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,520
in the superstition mountains he knew

1035
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,359
all the legends he knows everything that

1036
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,920
was going on i said salvador you know uh

1037
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,400
you know uh if there's been any egyptian

1038
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,720
artifacts found around here

1039
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,800
he says well there's this one guy

1040
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:53,599
who found a cavern clear full

1041
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,720
of either egyptian or oriental artifacts

1042
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,720
he says i don't know exactly where the

1043
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,720
cavern is but i know the area come on

1044
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,760
let's go

1045
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,599
so we're going clear out there in the

1046
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,680
middle of nowhere and he says stop stop

1047
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,839
terry and so i stopped and he says look

1048
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,280
right over there against that mountain

1049
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,359
over there over there he says there's

1050
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,359
see that's the coke ovens that

1051
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,119
that the pioneers made and there's a

1052
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,640
heart on the mountain above it and then

1053
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,280
and then it dawned on me that that uh

1054
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,359
you know this is a story that that guy

1055
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,119
was telling me and salvador's the one

1056
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,720
that took him out there and got stuck

1057
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,359
you know and i says hey i met your buddy

1058
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,040
he's telling me how you guys came out

1059
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,040
here and then you got three flat tires

1060
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,720
and got stuck and had the high couch he

1061
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,960
says oh yeah that's jim hatton and yeah

1062
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,359
he'd say this and and i'd say yeah jim

1063
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,200
told me that and this and he says yeah

1064
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,440
that happened this anyways went back and

1065
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,520
forth and i said yeah i met your buddy

1066
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,280
three four months ago and he looks at me

1067
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,040
kind of funny he says you couldn't have

1068
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,400
i said what do you mean i couldn't have

1069
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,560
he says you must have met somebody who

1070
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,160
jim told this story to and then they're

1071
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,480
telling you is it is it's their story

1072
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:56,480
because jim's been dead for eight to ten

1073
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,359
years

1074
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,800
yeah i thought

1075
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,640
i thought no way

1076
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,079
you know i i you know because this guy

1077
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,560
told me indeed he was reliving this

1078
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,599
story to me and i'm thinking

1079
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,160
my mind started racing and and the only

1080
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,079
thing i could come up with was that

1081
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,240
salvador's wrong he thinks jim's dead

1082
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,240
but he's really not because this guy did

1083
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,760
not look dead to me you know i was

1084
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,160
talking to him just face to face for a

1085
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,839
half hour i

1086
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,319
carried on a conversation with this guy

1087
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,480
so anyways i i

1088
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,000
at the end of the day i went up to

1089
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,319
goldfield ghost town and went there to

1090
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,079
ran into bob's shoes he's the owner of

1091
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,560
goldfield ghost town i says bob do you

1092
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,880
know jim hat he says oh yeah terry you

1093
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,400
liked him he was some kind of an

1094
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,119
engineer who uh he worked on all the

1095
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,359
empire plants in wyoming like you are

1096
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,119
yeah you don't like them i said well bob

1097
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,880
i ran into him talked to him three or

1098
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,040
four months ago and he says he couldn't

1099
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,640
have terry he's been dead for eight to

1100
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,920
ten years

1101
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,800
so now my brain is really going crazy

1102
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,560
trying to remember what happened you

1103
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:00,079
know three or four months

1104
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,040
you know

1105
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,440
previously trying to figure out what

1106
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,599
really went on so i go back to the

1107
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,319
museum i'm gonna find this guy and i go

1108
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,839
there and i'm looking i can't find him

1109
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,599
nowhere so i go up to the counter i said

1110
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,079
jim hat around and the guy says well

1111
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,359
well i uh

1112
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,000
uh no jim works here i said yeah he was

1113
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,680
here i met him three or four months ago

1114
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,079
he had name tag on he was you know

1115
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,760
well he says you know i've been here for

1116
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,240
three four years and i i don't remember

1117
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,079
anybody like that but we have volunteers

1118
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,400
that come in and so you know maybe he's

1119
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,599
one of the volunteers that i just

1120
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,960
haven't met he comes in every now and

1121
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,240
again he says let me go ask one of the

1122
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,599
guys in the back

1123
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,119
and so he goes in the back and he comes

1124
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,960
back he says oh yeah jim hat he helped

1125
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,960
start this museum but he's been dead for

1126
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,400
eight to ten years

1127
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,560
and i thought man

1128
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:45,839
i i

1129
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,640
face to face he did not look like no

1130
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,640
ghost to me there was other people

1131
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,640
around i'm wondering could everybody see

1132
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,720
him or just me and they was avoiding

1133
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,240
running into him because they see me

1134
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,640
talking to myself i have no clue i wish

1135
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,520
i'd have videoed that ryan oh my gosh

1136
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,079
you're not kidding and these things you

1137
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,400
know they tend to happen i remember a

1138
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,599
story

1139
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:10,880
that uh

1140
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,480
alien dave aka dave rosenfeld told me he

1141
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,359
was going up to nine mile canyon up from

1142
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,599
the wellington entrance south of the

1143
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,640
basin

1144
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,800
and he was in this truck with other

1145
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,079
people and

1146
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,480
they saw it was it was wintertime and

1147
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,640
blowing sideways and snow on the ground

1148
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,800
and they saw a guy walking

1149
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,079
you know in the middle of nowhere

1150
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,560
because that that that's a long road and

1151
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,240
they saw a guy walking on the side of

1152
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,839
the road in a flannel shirt and they

1153
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,920
drove by and they all kind of

1154
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,520
kind of hesitated for a moment and

1155
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,880
looked at each other and said hey we

1156
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,960
better turn around that guy

1157
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,800
that guy might be in trouble

1158
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,240
and they turned around and there was

1159
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,040
nobody there so i mean these strange

1160
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,599
things do happen

1161
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,680
what made me wonder you know how many

1162
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,880
times that

1163
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,400
happened and you don't know it i mean

1164
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,480
i'd have never known if salvador hadn't

1165
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,880
said stop look there's the coke ovens

1166
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,400
you know that the pioneers

1167
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,160
i've never even thought i didn't ever

1168
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:08,400
give that day another thought in my mind

1169
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,359
you know

1170
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,680
until he said that i would have never

1171
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,440
known and i think i wonder how many

1172
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,359
times that's happened and you just don't

1173
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,119
know

1174
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,240
and as fate would have it this this is

1175
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,240
you know it's strange the paranormal

1176
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,599
does enter some of this and many of

1177
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,560
these legends and the myths of these

1178
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,400
gold reserves or

1179
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,520
lost caverns usually include a curse of

1180
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,000
some sort don't they

1181
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,359
they always

1182
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,760
uh include a curse and i always thought

1183
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,440
well you know i didn't believe in the

1184
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,440
curses and i always thought well i'm i

1185
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,040
must not be getting close to the goal

1186
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,800
because it never have been spooked away

1187
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,240
yet you know i've had my mind play

1188
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,000
tricks on me but it's just my mind

1189
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,079
playing tricks on me but you know until

1190
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,640
i i met that ghost myself you know i i

1191
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,160
didn't believe in it you know now i

1192
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:57,680
don't know what to think there's

1193
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:00,319
something out there and it's strange

1194
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,359
yeah

1195
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,280
treasure hunting can be a dangerous

1196
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
business i'll tell you

1197
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,680
and uh and there's plenty of cases i

1198
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,480
mean people going out not coming back

1199
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,200
uh i i spoke with a close friend of mine

1200
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,079
i used to fly fish with all the time

1201
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,119
right in duchesne and uh you know his

1202
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,640
grandfather

1203
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,960
had some strange tales and he said you

1204
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:25,040
know one day he said i'm gonna go out

1205
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,839
and

1206
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,400
meet up with some folks that

1207
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,280
and he never came back and so

1208
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,680
these unexplained issues are experienced

1209
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,319
by a multitude of folks in the area

1210
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,000
and um

1211
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,599
something i think is really neat about

1212
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:41,280
your personal connection to treasure

1213
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,040
hunting is you've become aware as a lot

1214
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,599
have not i'm not that aware of it but

1215
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,839
you know what to look for in in these

1216
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,240
areas there's markers and marks and

1217
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,520
things that you can look for aren't

1218
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,880
there that kind of lead you in the right

1219
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,400
direction

1220
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,480
well you know a lot of a lot of the

1221
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,319
marks and that have been destroyed you

1222
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,480
know um the indians destroyed them other

1223
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,240
treasure hunters that didn't want other

1224
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,160
treasure hunters to find them destroyed

1225
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,720
them um you know the pine beetle killed

1226
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,200
the the uh forest fires you know a lot

1227
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,880
of these have been destroyed but if you

1228
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,640
know the general area you know the

1229
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:17,119
faults you know where where you should

1230
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,640
be looking and you look for things that

1231
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,400
just don't look natural you know things

1232
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:22,160
that are caved in depressions in the

1233
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,119
ground

1234
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:25,680
um you know you just never know one time

1235
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:29,839
um i i did see a marker alongside a a a

1236
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,280
a dirt road on a tree and and so i

1237
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,280
followed it where i thought it said to

1238
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,640
go and and there was an old trail uh

1239
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,400
looked like a game trail but there was a

1240
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,160
small hole there was a depression

1241
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,200
alongside of it with a small hole in it

1242
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,119
and i thought man that that you know

1243
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,200
like a gopher hole and i thought that

1244
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,040
that doesn't you know look right so i

1245
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,040
went and got my shovel and just oh first

1246
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,720
i got a stick and pushed down and it

1247
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,040
went all the way in so i got my

1248
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,200
shovel and just started tapping on it

1249
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,960
and the whole thing caved in man if i'd

1250
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:03,040
have been on top of that i've been caved

1251
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,400
in there and still down there i wouldn't

1252
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,200
have been able to get out um

1253
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,160
but i uh i tried uh digging it out by

1254
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,760
myself got a rope got down there and

1255
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,839
digging it out by myself and got down to

1256
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,680
where where i could see there was a

1257
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,760
cavern that took off and went

1258
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,119
and uh

1259
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,119
i i couldn't get it by myself so i

1260
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,200
enlisted some help and that i'd be down

1261
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,720
there digging them putting in a bucket

1262
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:26,880
and they'd haul it up and well it was it

1263
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,160
was uh alongside a forest service road

1264
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,640
and the forest service came by and says

1265
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,319
you know stop what are you doing they

1266
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,000
seen us doing something i tried to be

1267
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,640
discreet but anyways the area i was at

1268
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,240
was a was

1269
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,760
a uh

1270
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,240
environmental study area you couldn't do

1271
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,760
any digging you couldn't do nothing

1272
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,880
there and so

1273
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,119
um i was i was ran off kicked off

1274
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,800
threatened with fines and everything so

1275
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,280
i had to hide it up and and there still

1276
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,760
stays it stays where it's at i i you

1277
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,760
know it goes into a cavern somewhere but

1278
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,319
i never fully got it excavated to get

1279
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,720
that i could get in to go check it out

1280
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,319
and and you and you still can't do

1281
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,000
anything because it's a you know uh

1282
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,160
environmental or uh or not environmental

1283
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,800
as a geological survey area can't do

1284
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,000
nothing

1285
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,599
yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of

1286
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,680
ways that these areas get locked down

1287
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,559
i'm often reminded of it it may be

1288
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,640
actual it may be factual and it may be

1289
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,160
what's really going on but the

1290
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,839
coincidences

1291
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,400
in some of these areas are mind-blowing

1292
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,040
and uh for example i i don't know if

1293
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:32,880
you've heard of the bradshaw ranch in

1294
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,160
arizona it's a it's a ranch that's got a

1295
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,400
lot of high strangeness that takes place

1296
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,119
a lot like many of the ranches in utah

1297
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,800
and uh a family owned it and

1298
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,800
long story short because of some tax

1299
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,319
deals and some

1300
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,240
back taxes owed

1301
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,079
the government took it over threw up a

1302
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,559
huge fence and now it's a

1303
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,280
cottonwood observation site where they

1304
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,800
observe these little cottonwood

1305
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,040
seedlings growing and there's cameras

1306
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,880
all over the place and like i said it

1307
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,800
might be actual and it might be the real

1308
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,680
thing but on a case-by-case basis this

1309
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,400
is sure happening a lot in areas of

1310
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,920
like extreme importance in my opinion

1311
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,200
even uh

1312
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,319
yeah even in utah yeah yeah not just

1313
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,200
that man but national parks monuments

1314
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,880
and things like that that just

1315
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,880
completely lock lock you out you know

1316
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,480
there's there's been something you talk

1317
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,960
about treasure there i have a friend um

1318
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,440
who found 400 gold bars the smallest one

1319
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,280
was 12 pounds you know it wasn't pure

1320
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,920
they was like you know 50 60 percent

1321
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:37,599
gold and the rest i had a lot of copper

1322
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:40,960
iron metal you know or you know silver

1323
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,680
things like that in it but uh you know

1324
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,599
when people find things you don't hear

1325
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:47,599
about it because of that the government

1326
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,960
will take it or or you know

1327
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:53,119
they're in trouble you know antiquities

1328
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,640
laws you know you're not supposed to

1329
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,160
take any of that stuff and so anything

1330
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,040
that's found you don't hear about it

1331
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,280
there is things being found but you just

1332
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,240
never will hear about it you know so

1333
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,800
that's right and there's a there's some

1334
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,440
cases of the smithsonian i've heard

1335
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,520
where you know some of these things that

1336
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,119
the smithsonian comes in and

1337
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,480
investigates

1338
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,319
it just all gets shut down one

1339
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,160
particular case

1340
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,880
that i heard of this was in arizona but

1341
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:24,000
uh it was basically some students were

1342
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,280
digging in a

1343
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,839
in a uh hopi uh

1344
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:29,680
native american site

1345
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,240
doing some archaeology and they came

1346
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,520
across

1347
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,640
some tibetan prayer flags and some other

1348
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,720
things from other cultures

1349
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,880
and their minds just started reeling

1350
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,720
they called the smithsonian it shut it

1351
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,640
all down it sent them all home

1352
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,040
and nothing was ever heard from again

1353
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,359
and again you just have to wonder

1354
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,280
is it really that just nothing is it's

1355
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,440
not it doesn't compute it's not really

1356
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,839
what's going on oh yeah you know it

1357
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,160
makes you wonder doesn't it

1358
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,040
oh yeah you know there's there's uh

1359
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,200
ah wow

1360
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,119
i can't think of his names what one

1361
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,960
james keenan you know do you know you

1362
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,280
know about and i know james very well so

1363
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,319
james yeah you know he found he he was

1364
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,079
working on a dig and found something

1365
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,680
below where they were supposed to be

1366
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,760
digging at and and it didn't fit the

1367
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,440
norm and he showed him and they got in

1368
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,119
trouble for digging too low and that was

1369
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:23,599
it it was covered up hushed up hushed up

1370
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,960
uh um another guy i know he was he was

1371
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,720
going through his anthropology in an

1372
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,960
archaeology school and he he happened to

1373
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,720
find an artifact that didn't fit the

1374
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,040
norm and so he went took it to him to to

1375
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,640
record it into the books and they

1376
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,559
wouldn't record it because it didn't fit

1377
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,480
you know the the culture what they was

1378
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,319
digging for so it was just discarded you

1379
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,319
know and how often does that happen you

1380
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,160
know we're not getting the full truth

1381
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,160
because the full truth is not being

1382
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,559
recorded it might not fit that culture

1383
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,559
or what went on there but man if you

1384
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,319
took that piece here and a piece over

1385
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,680
there and you put it all together and

1386
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:57,839
try to figure out what really did happen

1387
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,920
instead of you know instead of what you

1388
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,240
want us to think happened

1389
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,359
yeah

1390
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,960
and well i'm just glad that you've

1391
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,480
joined the search and you're always

1392
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:09,359
providing true and accurate information

1393
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,400
these mysteries are deep and you know

1394
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,160
the more people that are involved and i

1395
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,440
really appreciate that you're going to

1396
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,839
be speaking at the gathering of moon

1397
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,800
lake and i wanted to uh kind of tell our

1398
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,960
listeners a little bit about that and

1399
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:25,680
what you might be discussing there

1400
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,880
so i am not speaking at our gathering at

1401
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,200
moon lake but you are

1402
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:32,960
and

1403
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,119
to see but say but we've got a lot of

1404
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,520
great speakers like utana

1405
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,119
is going to be talking about the brewers

1406
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,280
cave and she is and giants and she's got

1407
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,800
all kinds of things and we've got a guy

1408
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,119
who's talking about some treasure that

1409
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,319
he found there uh on private property so

1410
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,160
the government couldn't you know take

1411
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,240
him but i i think he's gonna be bringing

1412
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,839
some of the artifacts there he's going

1413
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,839
to talk about that there's then there's

1414
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,359
uh you know all kinds of different

1415
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:00,720
things going to be talked about

1416
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,839
treasure-wise and and uh you know giants

1417
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,160
out of place archaeology and this is

1418
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,880
free to free to everybody you know it's

1419
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,400
it's uh we're just putting it on for

1420
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,160
free and we hope for some donations to

1421
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,240
help us pay for it but but uh this is

1422
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,839
gonna be free to everybody and that's

1423
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,400
just gonna be a good time we had it last

1424
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,280
year

1425
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,720
and and i was so busy recording and and

1426
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,480
and that that i couldn't really meet

1427
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,839
people and talk to people so this year

1428
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,680
we're going to have saturday picnicking

1429
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,520
park where we meet and greet and tell

1430
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,839
open mic and stories and and there'll be

1431
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,960
a lot of great

1432
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,119
information there so let's be good and i

1433
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,480
can't wait to hear what you got to talk

1434
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,640
about absolutely well i knew you'd be

1435
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,240
there i didn't know if you'd be talking

1436
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,319
but i'll hopefully talk to you because

1437
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:44,960
yeah so i i am going to be speaking at

1438
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,920
the phenomicon and and i thought man why

1439
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,599
they want a treasure hunt and they're

1440
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,520
talking at phenomicon you know because

1441
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,040
it's more

1442
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,960
having to deal with the skinwalker ranch

1443
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,280
and blind frog ranch and the ufo stuffs

1444
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,240
and paranormal stuffs but but apparently

1445
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:01,920
they want to include that they had me

1446
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,799
speak last year there too so so i guess

1447
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,640
i guess they liked it good enough that

1448
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:08,079
i'm going to be there again this year

1449
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:08,880
that

1450
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,200
remember exactly the dates eight tonight

1451
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,880
or something like that i can't remember

1452
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,359
well i'm you know i think it's important

1453
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,960
that you're bringing this truth to so

1454
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,280
many people because there's so many lost

1455
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,240
treasures supposedly hidden in utah

1456
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,480
and you are definitely going after the

1457
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,799
mystery and it's intriguing i can't

1458
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,079
thank you enough for coming on the

1459
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,920
podcast and i hope we can talk again

1460
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,400
soon as we wrap up are there any other

1461
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,720
stories you want to kind of tail off and

1462
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,480
and end with

1463
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,960
you know i got a ton of stories but i'm

1464
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,640
getting older and i forget them and i

1465
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,720
just got something if something reminds

1466
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,640
me of them then they then they come out

1467
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,240
but other than that man i forget them

1468
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,480
until something triggers my memory

1469
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,240
so unless you've got something specific

1470
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,920
you want to talk about you know i got a

1471
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,839
ton of stories but i just just can't

1472
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,680
think of them all let me ask you this

1473
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,240
one have you heard anything about uh the

1474
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,319
the butch butch cassidy's possible

1475
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:04,079
buried treasure or the the lost

1476
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,839
josephine gold mine there in utah

1477
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,079
so the last josephine mine that's the

1478
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,400
one where i was telling you about that

1479
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,400
door this guy scene

1480
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:15,359
um

1481
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,319
you know and he he actually physically

1482
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,000
seen the door when he was in his early

1483
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,880
20s back in the early 70s and that's

1484
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,720
also you know where they have the way

1485
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,119
bill garcia's way bill about the you

1486
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:28,799
know billion dollars in treasure that

1487
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,000
i'm actively searching for um

1488
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,559
but uh you know i think because of

1489
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,960
trying to find this door i'm thinking

1490
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,880
something's gotta behind be behind this

1491
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,200
door whether it's the the gold bars that

1492
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,960
garcia left behind or whether it's

1493
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:45,599
something more ancient or i i don't know

1494
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,480
you know

1495
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,640
so it's so interesting the hunt proves

1496
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,680
to be more interesting than ever i swear

1497
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,079
there's just so many cases and

1498
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,559
uh man it's so great to finally talk to

1499
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:58,000
you i can't wait to talk to you in

1500
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,040
person

1501
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,799
thanks again let's tell listeners one

1502
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,559
more time the name of your youtube

1503
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,400
channel and and how to listen to all the

1504
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:06,720
stuff you have going on

1505
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,240
just uh go to go to youtube and type in

1506
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,160
terry carter or terry carter treasure

1507
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,839
hunter and look for the

1508
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,400
the skull and crossbones pyro looking

1509
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,640
guy with the patch on its eye i love it

1510
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,240
thank you terry i hope you have a great

1511
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,079
day and look forward to talking to you

1512
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,280
again

1513
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,079
thank you ryan you too have a good one

1514
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,079
well there you have it

1515
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,119
utah treasure hunter terry carter

1516
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,680
he's been there talked to the people

1517
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,359
been in the places

1518
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:37,760
knows what to look for and he's all

1519
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,680
about getting the truth out so many

1520
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,119
instances

1521
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,280
of treasure in utah

1522
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,839
lost connections to the aztecs the

1523
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,440
spanish

1524
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,880
mormon

1525
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,040
culture as well as

1526
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:55,040
all the native american cultures found

1527
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,240
in utah

1528
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,079
there is an array of information

1529
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,400
available at his youtube channel terry

1530
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,480
carter on youtube

1531
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,440
and uh definitely come up to the

1532
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,520
gathering at moon lake it's going to be

1533
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,359
a heck of an experience

1534
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:11,119
it's august 12th

1535
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,640
and 13th

1536
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,760
at altamonte city park in utah

1537
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,760
it's going to feature topics with lost

1538
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,520
gold mines and treasure

1539
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,559
history legends and folklore of the area

1540
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:25,200
ghosts giants bigfoot paranormal and

1541
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,480
ufos

1542
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,440
friday night from 5 p.m to 10 p.m

1543
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,319
saturday from 10 a.m to 4 p.m and

1544
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,359
saturday night from 5 p.m to 10 p.m

1545
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:37,839
if you need camping or reservations

1546
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,880
visit recreation.gov

1547
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,920
and

1548
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,160
definitely check out terry carter

1549
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,359
treasure hunter at youtube if you like

1550
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,040
what you're hearing at hero paranormal

1551
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,000
podcast please like and subscribe on

1552
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,720
youtube also share the episodes that

1553
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,000
helps a lot

1554
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,040
and if you want to hear the significant

1555
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,480
amount of

1556
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,480
information and episodes behind the

1557
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,160
paywall check those out at patreon

1558
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,200
or podbean just look for hero paranormal

1559
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,079
we're on there until next time keep your

1560
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:14,880
eyes to the skies feet on the ground but

1561
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:23,880
[Applause]

1562
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,589
machine third